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1st-Oct-2006 09:50 pm
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Okay, in regards to this post, particularly the point about Death's knowledge/span of influence not necessarily jumping canons, we should come to an as-a-canon conclusion about whether she'd know the Disc pups?

My view would be that she wouldn't, what with the canon seven-foot skeleton and all? But I don't know if any of y'all will prefer it the other way, with the Deaths being aspects of a whole (i.e., she would know them. Especially Rupert, the dead one), and it affects other people's pups way more.

*spams comm*
1st-Oct-2006 02:22 pm (UTC)
Well, my reading of Reaper Man is that the Deathly "organization", so to speak, does span worlds other than the Disc. Azrael is THE DEATH that instructs all the other Deaths of other worlds. Possibly the canon seven-foot skeleton would at least have met this Death, even if they're not one and the same.

Whether any of our pups are important enough for him to have mentioned them to her is an open question, of course.
2nd-Oct-2006 12:43 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's a good point. I can see them knowing each other, and having weird quirky conversations.

*will not write Sandman/Discworld cross-over fic. Will not*
2nd-Oct-2006 12:49 am (UTC)
Oh, but you WILL.
1st-Oct-2006 02:27 pm (UTC)
...added on...

Assuming of course that they are not just different aspects of the same. Because, myself, I'd love to see the "polish yourself up a bit" come up. But there are, yes, other pups who'd be more affected, so I'd like to hear from Malamanda and Becca particularly...
1st-Oct-2006 04:17 pm (UTC)
Oh, Rupert. *pats his head*

Um, I would think of the Discworld Death as, say, the highest agent of Death for that particular world? And that Death would have met him on occassion and they would have been in communication.

Probably not about Rupert though. Though Death might know this anywy? I'm woefully unfamiliar with the Endless' canon. I know of them, I don't know shit about them, sort of thing.
2nd-Oct-2006 12:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, if the Disc was in her sphere of influence, she'd know who he was, but if he wasn't then she wouldn't. It's... a bit confusing. But since we know who shows up to collect dead Discworld folks, it doesn't seem likely she'd have done her *whisper a secret in their ear at birth* thing with Disc pups? Which is how she knows everyone. Depends whether you want her to know him/know he's dead, all that.

Also! ...vampires? Also with the complicated.
2nd-Oct-2006 12:47 am (UTC)
I don't know that canon either but, from that, it seems like she would not overlap with the bony one.

I do like my idea of them having occasionally met and chatted, though. Not that most of us would likely be memorable enough for her to know about that way, either.

Rincewind, if we still had him, maybe...
2nd-Oct-2006 12:57 am (UTC)
Hmmm. I think it's pretty well established that DEATH is specifically the Death for Discworld, so like Acacia said, they could be two actual separate beings who might know each other. I think Sandman canon implies that Endless!Death has underlings of some sort, of which DEATH might be one (maybe in the same way that the DEATH of Rats is to Disc!DEATH - 'underling' isn't quite the right word, but in charge of a certain subset and in constant communication). I don't think you ever see Endless!Death "working" someplace that is not Earth, either, though I could be wrong. It's been a while since I read the comics.

On the other hand, the idea of them being two aspects of the same thing is intriguing, and fits really well within the sort of way that both Gaiman and Pratchett like to play with myth and sybolism. And maybe that isn't mutually exclusive for our purposes. Either way, I think there'd be knowledge communicated between the two. And, well, because she is god-ish (even though not really), she Knows things because she Knows them, even if she didn't gain the knowledge in any concrete sort of way, if that makes sense? I'd imagine that would work vice-versa, too - DEATH wouldn't have "met" Earth people, but he would know something about them because he's well, DEATH and has a lot of inherent and unfiltered knowledge.

That was a lot of blabbet.

And now I'm imagining Neil and Terry sitting in a pub somewhere snickering at us for trying to wrestle this out... :P
2nd-Oct-2006 01:03 am (UTC)
Ah, but such good blabbet. I see that working, actually; Death knows what she knows, even if she never met them in person like she did the Earth folks. The Disc people could be all 'bloody planocentrism' about her not greeting them at birth, too. >.>
2nd-Oct-2006 02:50 am (UTC)
...That was supposed to read 'blabber', but now I think I need to start using blabbet as a word. I like it.

The Disc people could be all 'bloody planocentrism' about her not greeting them at birth, too. >.>

*sniiicker* Ahahhaa, yes, that's kinda great :D.
2nd-Oct-2006 01:05 am (UTC)
And in Reaper Man it's pretty clear that DEATH is an underling of someone.

We should hunt down Death's mun and ask where she thinks Azrael and that lot should fit in.
2nd-Oct-2006 02:53 am (UTC)
Yeah, exactly.

*nodsnods* And I just checked wiki and yup, Azrael is part of Judeo-Christian-Muslim tradition. And seeing as Gaimen uses bibical mythology a heck of a lot in Sandman, it would be easy to work him into it (if he isn't already, which he might be. I can't remember a mention of him, but I might just be forgetting.)
2nd-Oct-2006 03:34 am (UTC)
Also, something something fact that Earth is on a shelf in the University in Rincewind's office. I'm not sure what my point is. Possibly that Endless!Death might know something about that/be connected to the Disc via something, I don't know. This isn't really a coherent sentiment. But I do have a mental picture of all the Deaths getting together for a death convention, and maybe they cosplay. I bet they play AD&D. Or like, when they go 'home' at 'night' they call each other on the death party line and they're all "HEY DEATH. S'UP?" "Long day, man. My eye-liner would not stay put, you know?" "OH YES, GIRLFRIEND I KNOW JUST WHAT THAT IS LIKE."
2nd-Oct-2006 02:10 pm (UTC)
I'm commenting simply because I'm nosy and I CAN...Muwahahah*cough* er, ok.

After talking to a couple of you, here's how I'd like to do it.

Death is the Endless, THE Death, the high and mighty what have you (Gaiman and Pratchett have a funny dialogue which I used to have bookmarked and cannot find, woe). However, DEATH on the Disc is that world's DEATH and I think it should stay that way, therefore Sandman!Death won't know any of the Disc pups by name except Rupert, and him only as a "How was your day DEATH?" OH, FINE. PICKED UP A ONE DE WORDE FELLOW. NICE KID. DEAD, OF COURSE. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HIM...[1]

That way we can preserve both the canons, it'll honestly make play more fun for me as Death learns what it's like to be not-so-all-powerful, and she and y'all who have seen him can gab about DEATH, and Binky.

Objections? Additions? Complimentary mints?

[1] Footnote missing at this time.
2nd-Oct-2006 03:54 pm (UTC)
I'll take a mint.

Seriously, though, I think that sounds Right and Lovely, and I'm all for that.
2nd-Oct-2006 10:25 pm (UTC)
Sounds superb to me, also! *loves on Death* *also steals mint*
3rd-Oct-2006 01:43 am (UTC)
*thumbs up*

*steals mint*
3rd-Oct-2006 01:45 am (UTC)
It sounds good to me.

And I don't see why they feel the need to steal mints that're being given away for free. ~takes one~
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